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False charismatic and connection of the Roman catholic church
There exist according to the Bible teaching charismas. And of course real charismas works today and amen for that. But in this writing we are examining false charismas, because today those false charismas deceive many believers. In United States born so said charismatic movement 1960's, which combined closer to Catholic Church and protestant churches in the continent of America. When these false charismas spreads wider area, so to the catholic church as to the protestant churches, they all experienced, that they are brothers in Christ. Coming of the charisma to Catholic Church started inside of Catholic Church examine more closely the detail of the Holy Spirit and His work. Large enthusiasm was in catholic as in Protestants and many believers don't pay attention to those messages, which came from Mary and saints. 1979 charismatic Carmelite father Louis Rogge said:
"good news, which is preached without talking from Mary, is no longer the gospel of Jesus Christ …if we hide fullness of whole gospel from our sisters and brothers in Lord …wouldn't be anymore loving, but selfishness." Louis Rogge also thought that Mary is of a certain kind church, led by spirit, God central and charismatic. Louis Rogge continues: " Part of Mary in redemption work would help catholic charismatic to clarify all prejudice, which are point out towards Mary.
All catholic charismatic don't surely worship Mary and certainly in that 1960's started charismatic movement saved many catholics. But the fact is that charismatic didn't remove incorrect doctrines inside of catholic church for instance Pope's station, worship of Mary, transubstantion of the mass and salvation in the baptism and especially in infant baptism. All these bad heresy still are strong foundation of the Catholic Church. Not even one incorrect doctrine hasn't changed from the Catholic Church, but Holy Spirit still leads disciple’s of Jesus Christ to whole truth and not leave His congregation for incorrect doctrines.
David Du Plessis
1981 May 4, one of large affecting factor David du Plessis of American Pentecostal churches participated in Rome to be kept catholic charismatic conferences. He told, that the Holy Spirit manifestation was experienced every evening and the presence of the Lord was also along every evening. This kind of large affecting factor, who David Du Plessis is in Pentecostal churches, getting along to the catholic charismatic conference is profit to Vatican, but not to God and not to children of God. Big leaders of the protestant churches, which give these kinds of encomiastic statements from Catholicism, they mislead much of believer with these kinds of statements.
Even though Du Plessis praised the Pope and Catholics, so those incorrect teachings however not changed from the Catholic Church. Such kind of charismatic and movement of the Holy Spirit, which doesn't remove delusion teachings, but he who supports those is not Bible's Holy Spirit, but another holy spirit, which preach another gospel and this spirit is demonic spirit. This catholic charismatic emphasized powerfully Holy Spirit, but Bible teaches, that Holy Spirit brighten Jesus Christ and not Himself in other words Holy Spirit don't brighten Holy Spirit, but Jesus Christ.
Alberto Rivera
Where this charismatic movement got at its beginning in the Catholic Church? Let's give former Roman Catholic priest tell from where this really is question. At the end of 1960's the Jesuit priest, which name was Alberto Rivera came to belief in Jesus, and he exposed what Catholic Church has planned. Alberto Rivera was educated to infiltrate to the protestant churches for instance to Baptist, to Pentecostal churches and Plymouth Brethrens. About Alberto came Jesuit priest and to him opened, what is real Catholic Church. Jesuit's and catholic church has infiltrated according to information of Rivera, to all protestant churches and denominations to the orthodox church, to the different religions for instance Muslims, Hindu's, Buddha's religions and also to Mormons and to Jehovah's witness. Purpose of this infiltration is getting all these different religions and churches to give up from resisting of the Catholicism. Because Catholic Church wants to build large world church by way of ecumenism, which Pope would lead. Catholic church also makes up to Protestants of the bait, so that them could be back to the mother church. Masterpiece of the catholic church is the third power (holy spirit), which is charismatic movement, which is the open bridge to Rome all protestants, which accept catholic charismatic movement Like this has told a man, which knows and know Catholicism thoroughly, because he was the Jesuit priest of the catholic church.
Revelation of Mary
During recent years catholic church has been receiving with its Madonna in other words from Mary (not Mary, but evil spirit) revelations, in which Mary will come to lead Catholics over difficult times on the last days. Of these appearances have been written many books and remarkable of these is Ted and Maureen Flynn's book: Thunder of Justice, where otherwise has written the forewords well-known catholic author and former Jesuit Malachi Martin. We acquainted briefly to messages of this book (citing are translated from the Finnish text). Writers of the book hold their book to be as awakening call of Mary. The book is full of Mary's appearances. Mary announces in these appearances, that she is " prophet of our time ". "Mary pilots people over that distress, which come upon of the whole world until to second coming of the Lord. Before second of the Jesus, Mary becomes to more brighten shine grace, power and love to get faithless convert to the catholic belief. Power of Mary becomes clearly to reveal on the last days. God gives global warning, which follow inside of the year, the miracle. They are together much bigger lacking to the matters of God as were the sharing of the red sea or sending manna from the heaven long ago. For that it faces on the earth, each man, woman and child. Never before God has not functioned as directly and globally to get each person in the world completely to be conscious from his own peccability before His holiness."
"The
miracle supports the truth - - that all people comes to join (of Christ)
church and yield to its discipline, teaching and sacraments. It comes also to
convince from the brightness of mother of God, so that all Christians come to
give up from resisting station of Mary - - and to indicate honour to Mary,
which God Himself has given to Mary. Miracle follows punishment, which face
people for the sake of big apostasy of the church. This apostasy has now
spread everywhere to the church even also for some bishops treachery, and also
for the sake of many priests and member of the church who reject
their church and because of my opponents mischief."
"To the
punishment includes series of catastrophes, such as world has been never
earlier experienced. According to Mary, it will be worse than thousand
earthquakes, worse than the flood. These events getting mankind to comprehend,
that God exists, and that we felt to concentrate to search for salvation.
Special warnings and marks come to reveal, which confirms appearances of Mary
and hasten converting of the world. According to Mary, punishment brings about
cleansing in the church, whereby only left behind remain remnant. But on this
cleaned remnant is shredded second Pentecost, which bring about era of the
peace. God admits to be for His own, winning small flock. At that time Christ
is assumed, said by Mary, is one Shepherd and one belief. And that one belief
is Roman Catholic Church, which I established, when I wandered as visible on
the earth." This was a short summary, from the announcement of that book. Every believer understands, that there is not a question Mary of Nazareth, but demonic spirit, which headquarters is in the kingdom of darkness. This demonic Mary informs, that on the last days becomes large worldwide revival and to the hearts of the people is shredded second Pentecost. This announcement is good to put accurately to the memory, because charismatic renewal, which is impressive in America in the middle of Protestants, teaches quite same matters (Toronto blessing, Pensacola etc.). It seems that Alberto Rivera's exposure is true, that Catholics Jesuit have infiltrated to the protestants churches as their purpose is getting protestants to give up from resisting of the Catholicism. I said that Alberto Rivera was correct and Jesuits has infiltrated to Protestants churches and denominations. Alberto Rivera exposed also, that charismatic which emphasize third power (holy spirit) is an open bridge back to Rome all for those Protestants, which don't resist Catholicism. In America among protestants, is today operating powerful charismatic renewal, which is called by the name third wave, in which on Holy Spirit has very central station. There are many charismatic preachers in America, which travel around the world preaching all over the world charismatic gospel of the Holy Spirit. Next is good to stop and inspect connections of those third wave preachers and what these preachers think about from the Catholicism.
Incorrect charismatic and Catholic Church's connection, References: - Leo Meller: Vatikaani profetiassa - Chick publications: Alberto Rivera - Publication of the Adventist church Nykyaika magazine 46 1996
John Wimber and vineyard movement
In America from John Wimber is two kinds of opinion, some held him as the cheat and other as prophetic leader. John Wimber was pastor, evangelist, a lecturer, author and builder of Vineyard movement. He has also written spiritual songs. In the year 1962 John Wimber and his wife came to the belief and joined quaker church. Wimber came from the year 1970 the pastor of the quaker church. Between in the half of 70's Wimber left quaker church and from him came founder and lecturer of Fuller Institute for Church Growth. In these connections John Wimber got acquainted with C. Peter Wagner, who operate as professor in Fuller. Wagner examines all possible churches to find, that which in those churches functions. This is important understand, because Wagner affected deeply to John Wimber. Wagner has operated many years as missionary in Bolivia and Wimber indeed heard about the matters, which took place in Bolivia. Supernatural matters took place in Bolivia, in which God and evil spirits faced. Miracles happen, healing took place and under demons being people were released. These stories remained to the mind of Wimber and year 1977 Wimber left Fuller institute.
Mother's day 1981
John Wimber started local church, which assembled in his home in the form of the Bible group. This church grew surprised quickly and suddenly to them were about 6000. The church got to be name Vineyard Christian Fellowship of Anaheim. In the beginning they were part of Chuck Smith Calvary Chapels denomination. Somewhere in the phase they disengaged about it and joined to Vineyard Fellowships, which led Ken Gullickson. Gullickson left its leadership in the beginning of 80's to Wimber. In1981 Mother's day they have a meeting, which changed ministry of Wimber and his earlier comprehension from belief to Jesus. Church in that meeting fall into to be overpowered with the Spirit and some prayed with the tongues, from another came prophecies, people jump, shaking, fall and cried. Wimber himself dumbfounded and surprised and went to ask at from one young boy, who lay on the floor, "what to you right now is happening? " Boy answered: " It is like electricity. I am unable to move! ". Wimber was embarrassed and whole next night, he read Bible and accounts about revivals during Whitefield and Wesley. But he didn't get answers for them to the questions, which were raised to his heart for the sake of the things, which happened in meeting. At the time of the five 'o clock in morning John was desperate and shouted to God " Lord if question is of You, please and tell me. " Little after that telephone rang and caller was pastor from Denver, every said: "John, I am sorry, that I will ring to you so early, but I have some really remarkable saying to you. I don't know what it means, but God wants my say "John it is question for me!." Even though Wimber didn't get from Bible confirmation and not from the church history to happening of the evening, so that telephone call confirmed to him, that it was from God.
Experience Christianity
This experience started to shape mind of Wimber in that way, that experiences came to him more important than the word of God. Wimber started to arrange courses, which for the name came MC510] Signs, Wonders, and Church Growt. He gave later to this course a new name: The Miraculous and Church Growth. These courses comprised ten consecutive Monday evenings, four hours per evening. Three hours were lecturing, in which were presented questions and were discussion and fourth hour was "laboratory experiments ", in which Wimber and members of the course practised functions of the gift of the Spirit. There is said, that during this hour, some got the word of knowledge and other healed and some released from some matters, when Wimber and students served each other’s. From this became popular course in USA and as a result of the course success; also book was published, which name was Signs and Wonders Today. This book is reading as course book in many churches around the world. In favour of the course's impressive success, was started to use concept third wave. These powerful experiences of Spirit in favour of Wimber started to assessment again his biblical foundation. Wimber taught: "we must always remember, that Bible was written in the Middle East. It hasn't based for us to the prevailing rational starting-point. We try to rationale understand it. Even though it can be understood only on the basis of the experience. " In the cassette Healing an Introduction Wimber calls people "to know God more personally as God, every exists and inside of very defined scholastic systems, but also outside of it. " In the other cassette Wimber said:] "in all Bible it is true, but there is not whole truth in Bible. We integrate all. What is true - both from Bible and our experience and of founded truth on the basis of our life." J. Wimber, Vineyard 83 Leaderships Conference, The Five-Year Plan. This is like from the catholic catechism, which teach:
- All, which God has informed to us, present to us Catholic Church. - Which informed by God has come to us partly written, partly orally; written in the holy Bible, orally in tradition of knowledge. - We should believe also tradition of knowledge, because it is unwritten Bible. - Christian should believe all, which God has informed, and Catholic Church sets to be believable, either it is written to the holy Bible or not.
This charismatic holy spirit teaches in the same way as catholic church. Do not belief only Bible there is also other truth as Bible. The Spirit of God doesn’t teach against the Bible. Also Jesus said, that we will go astray if we don't know the Scriptures and the power of God. It what Jesus meant when saying like this was; The Holy Spirit of God acts in accordance with word of God. Jesus said yet " The one believing into Me (Jesus) as the Scripture said, Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water." Also we must ask, that which Spirit make people to run away from the word of God? Not at least flow of the Spirit of God. Bible says, that the times of the end is coming many incorrect prophets, which mislead people making large miracles on the earth. God allows this misguidance faces those, which haven't received the love of the truth in order for them to be saved. And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie, that all may be judged, those not believing the truth, but who have delighted in unrighteousness. 2 Thess 2:9-12.
The real Spirit of God affected charismatic loves the truth of word of God, but those who misleading loves miracles fond and displaces word of God by these miracles. What kind of comprehension this charismatic Spirit then finally led John Wimber? Wimber tells about the different healing techniques, from which knows anointment, which heals. They have to look is there heat in theirs hands, is there light above the head, is there itching, do theirs hands shivering is there generally feeling of the anointment. Also must search for heat and also some body member's rigidity, trepidation and shaking, falling under the power of spirit, strong electric current, skin's creasing, movements under the skin, brightness in faces, heavy breath, groaning and, that person has fallen into trance, J. Wimber, 1985 Healing Video Series, tape-recording nr. 1 VMI. Placentia, California.
These kinds of phenomenon’s were according to Wimber, the marks that spirit is on this person. John Wimber proved from the church history of the miracle and marks existence and listed persons and movements of the church history, in which affected the power of God:
Hilarion hermit monk Augustinus Pope Gregorius I the great Fransiskus Ass People of Valdes Martin Luther Vincent Ferrer(dominican monk) Ignatius Loyola (founder of the Jesuits) John Wesley
Edward Irving and virgin of Mary made "miracles and healing" in Lourdes France. Theology of Wimber was catholic theology. Catholic theology is syncretism, in which the teaching of the heathen religions and Christianity have got mixed with each other. Wimber got involved and connected to matters between matters, which don't belong together. Wimber got mixed those heretic things, which affected catholic demonic healing, by worship of Mary. Christianity of Wimber can describe mystical Christianity. Holy Spirit of God leads people to truth and not to accept worshipping false idols and theirs miracles, which Catholicism represent. Even though Wimber taught many correct and good things, so he was in any case incorrect prophet, because right prophet doesn't mess idolatry to biblical faith.
Petri Paavola
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